In the following example we can learn about wolves in sheep clothes and how they try to deceive us ... The poster Gary McGaugh makes clear in his statements on Revelation 1 that he sees things Spiritually only - which is typical for a gnostic approach to things, something the Apostles and the Church fathers had problems with - it is good for study purposes, because it can help us not to fall into the pits of the devil (who is not this poster), too:
Gary McGaugh wrote: "Understanding doesnt come from scripture, understanding comes from God the one who inspired what we read."
God says: "But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works." (2 Timothy 3:13-17 KJV)
Vera says: "We all knew already what Gary McGaugh wrote above... but it does not mean the Scriptures are worthless. We believers HAVE this Spirit, so when we read the Scriptures we will understand them, and we do not need people who tell us anything else than God's Word says."
Gary McGaugh wrote: "As I said before, to one will see in script one way, and the same script will be something else to another."
God says: "I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables." (2 Timothy 4:1-4 KJV)
Vera says: "See what I mean"?
Gary McGaugh wrote: "If one is seeking the revelation of the Christ outside somewhere and yet to come, seeking Christ yet to come, then one hasnt experienced what it is for Him to actually come and reveal in one who the Christ really is. He is come to me and made His abode in me. I no longer have to seek Him, who He is, what He is, His purpose for me, or what I must do. It is opened to me, and dont think in terms of a book of revelation but an actual event, The revelation of the Christ actually happend."
God says: "Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen." (Revelation 1:7 KJV)
Vera says: "Amen. I will believe God. Jesus will come for all to see, and if this had happened already, there would be tons of reports about it. So to keep up their views, they have to make it all something that happened "within" – but they are just confused and think accepting Christ in one's heart would be the Second Coming of Christ as described in the Bible. The first is happens all the while, the latter will be in the future and, to repeat God, *for all to see*."
Gary McGaugh wrote: "The hardest thing God faces is for us to recieve Him in our being. Saying one is of Christ according to the law is not the same as actually being that person of Christ we are suposed to be, one in the same with Him, Christ in you."
Vera says: "There he has one sentence that really contains truth! Go figure! What can we learn from that? The false teachers do not have it ALL wrong. They actually come up with some truth to gain trust, and then the believers believe them the rest."
God says through Paul: "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple." (Romans 16:17-18 KJV)
by Vera Six
Gary McGaugh wrote: "Understanding doesnt come from scripture, understanding comes from God the one who inspired what we read."
God says: "But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works." (2 Timothy 3:13-17 KJV)
Vera says: "We all knew already what Gary McGaugh wrote above... but it does not mean the Scriptures are worthless. We believers HAVE this Spirit, so when we read the Scriptures we will understand them, and we do not need people who tell us anything else than God's Word says."
Gary McGaugh wrote: "As I said before, to one will see in script one way, and the same script will be something else to another."
God says: "I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables." (2 Timothy 4:1-4 KJV)
Vera says: "See what I mean"?
Gary McGaugh wrote: "If one is seeking the revelation of the Christ outside somewhere and yet to come, seeking Christ yet to come, then one hasnt experienced what it is for Him to actually come and reveal in one who the Christ really is. He is come to me and made His abode in me. I no longer have to seek Him, who He is, what He is, His purpose for me, or what I must do. It is opened to me, and dont think in terms of a book of revelation but an actual event, The revelation of the Christ actually happend."
God says: "Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen." (Revelation 1:7 KJV)
Vera says: "Amen. I will believe God. Jesus will come for all to see, and if this had happened already, there would be tons of reports about it. So to keep up their views, they have to make it all something that happened "within" – but they are just confused and think accepting Christ in one's heart would be the Second Coming of Christ as described in the Bible. The first is happens all the while, the latter will be in the future and, to repeat God, *for all to see*."
Gary McGaugh wrote: "The hardest thing God faces is for us to recieve Him in our being. Saying one is of Christ according to the law is not the same as actually being that person of Christ we are suposed to be, one in the same with Him, Christ in you."
Vera says: "There he has one sentence that really contains truth! Go figure! What can we learn from that? The false teachers do not have it ALL wrong. They actually come up with some truth to gain trust, and then the believers believe them the rest."
God says through Paul: "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple." (Romans 16:17-18 KJV)
by Vera Six
The cites of Gary McGaugh are from: Bible Study anyone. (n.d.). In Facebook [Christian Bible Study]. Retrieved January 15, 2012, from https://www.facebook.com/groups/108814939227054/
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